Planned Parenthood Thing

[BizzleBrizzle]

I myself am pro-choice, but that last line in that Planned Parenthood article really irked me, it said, "Now that these kids know that their favorite bands are pro-choice" or something to the extent that the kids will be pro-choice just because bands they like are. I mean what the fuck!? Shouldn't these kids be making their decision on their own? What pisses me off most about both sides of this issue is that both fucking sides refuse to even consider learning about the other side of the story, or acknowledge that the other side has some valid points. Here's conclusions I've reached, feel free to flame them:

-Abortion is murder.
-That's OK with me because I'm in favor of Euthenasia/Mercy Killing(hooked up to life support sort of stuff, not so much doctor assisted suicide).
-Pro-Life People need to recognize the economic factors of banning aborition, such as a whole new population of children which we will not be able to handle.
-Pro-Choice people need to recognize that some of the moral objections that people have to abortion are legitimate, and should quit trying to shove abortions down people's throats.


Anyone else agree? Probably not right?

[Paint It None More Black]

First Political Thread....good stuff.

I agree with you. Both sides need to be a more openminded towards the subject. I consider myself to be prochoice, but its nothing to be proud of. To me, it does not make any sense to bring a potentially unwanted child into a world that would not gaurantee him or her suffecient healthcare with a universal healthcare system for minors. I also find it ironic that alot of the same people who are pro life would also refuse to allow gays to adopt those children.

[swimmer]

I'm gonna try my best to be cool about this but I think the issue is a personal one and based heavily in one's subjective ideology.... here is what BizzleBrizzle wrote:

"Abortion is murder."

This is simply not a given; to drop a statement like this is an obvious attempt to get folks up in arms...I’m not one for safe liberalism but this is an common proclamation that conservatives explain as a given and then argue as if their points are founded in an absolute truth. At what stage is abortion murder? Who says? What is their agenda?

"Pro-Choice people need to recognize that some of the moral objections that people have to abortion are legitimate, and should quit trying to shove abortions down people's throats."

They might have moral objections that are legitimate to their own moral code, but who the fuck says that should have anything to do with your choice & to think for a minute that anyone pro-choice is trying to shove abortion down anyone's throat is ridiculous. Nobody pro-choice has ever killed a DR for refusing to offer abortive services, yet on the pro-life side people have been threatened and murdered.... abortion is a medical right, one that must be respected and upheld. Dialogue is important, but ultimately the decision is between a woman and her medical provider.

I agree with Paint It None More Black; if the seemingly fundamental majority in this country really want to continue to make a difference they should leverage some of their hot blooded complaints with compassion and look into issue like same-sex marriage and adoption as a progressive solution to family planning.

[Paint It None More Black]

Well said Swimmer. You should debate Sean Hannity.

[BizzleBrizzle]

To me all abortion is is mercy killing, I have no moral objection to euthenasia.

I'm more sick with punk/underground bands getting their listeners to blindly sign up and support causes without explaining it to people. I mean PunkVoter is case and point. Not once was it ever explained why Kerry was the better candidate, all they did was talk about how dumb Bush was. Kerry could have been pro-pedofelia and they'd still have supported him.

[Paint It None More Black]

Its kinda funny, cause PunkVoter wasnt exactly Pro Kerry - they were more anti Bush than anything. And I think in this particular election, you were either considered a potential Bush voter, or a potential Kerry voter. I percieved it as a very black and white election, especially for the progressive groups. As a liberal, it was seen as being "too risky" to vote for anyone other than Kerry in hopes of getting Bush out of office. So in other words, a die hard Nader supporter like myself would be encouraged to "sacrifice" my vote towards Kerry with the pure intention of getting Bush out of office. Its called "Anybody But Bush"....and much of the punk rock community embraced it.

I do somewhat agree with you Brizzle. I've been to a numerous amount of shows where people were handing out informative literature when they themselves did not know a whole hell of a lot what they were endorsing. Kids should educate themselves and get involved simply because its the duty of being an active American citizen, not because its cool.

[BizzleBrizzle]

Exactly.

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